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John Keys says “settlements largely relied on public good will and acknowledgement that the grievances were genuine”.Unfortunately they are not so important to be a matter of priority after 140 years.
“Public good will should not be taken for granted. It needs to be treated with respect. It is short-sighted and counter-productive of activists to use tactics and language which have the effect of eroding public support for initiatives aimed at turning around the very situation that the activists are complaining about”.If you think about it…that is actually a nice, drawn-out way of saying, as Hitler did:
“You are nothing, your nation is everything”.Hitler had no time to waste on fluff. The modern political party lives on fluff. Whilst they fluff around, they must be making money. Why would you want to preside over government without making money? Where is the sense of pride in being ineffectual? There must be something in it…certainly no self-respect. These issues have been kicking around for 140 years. We are about to have a court case – waste of money – as Maori question whether they have a legal claim to the water in the Mighty River Corporation privatisation. It’s a joke. Is it extreme to raise that as an issue. Well, the Supreme Court did not seem to dismiss the issue out of hand. If one wants to examine the track record of John Key, the National Party, Labour Party or indeed the entire parliament, ask yourself what effort their government took to seek peace in countries taking protection of rights…and yet in the name of liberty or democracy, they are entering Iraq. It must surely be about money/oil? Why nothing about:
“Turning around the current waste of human potential would do more for Maori and for New Zealand than probably any other single change”.This is undoubtedly the case; but first John Key has to identify the nature of the ‘waste’…why the human potential of Maori has been diminished. I can identify several reasons:
“He spoke approvingly of a United Maori Mission boarding hostel for 50 boys within the Auckland Grammar zone, saying it gave those boys a chance for a good education”.This is not a basis for prosperity among Maori; its an elitist argument which says:
“It is one of the reasons why we have a positive and forward-looking relationship between iwi and Crown. I have no doubt that we New Zealanders are better off because of it”.No John, you don’t have a relationship with Maori. You have a relationship with the only people your governments sanction to represent Maori. You decided by forming a coalition with the Maori Party that these people are worthy of being in a coalition. You went out of your way to strike that deal, as king maker, because it suits your agenda. Most Maori don’t subscribe to your distorted world view because you have popularised these people. No doubt your ‘Auckland Grammar boarders’ will be targeted by your party as you attempt to brand your party as the part for the people. You are only so long as you dumb people down and remain dumbfounded by execution paralysis.
Barrister Mark Lewis said “The "teapot tape" should be released and is in no way comparable to the News of the World scandal”.[i]
Really? In no way the same? Not even a little? They occurred on the same planet? They involved taped conversations between known parties; journalists with a personal interest in the activities.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "The News of the World were really using what is lazy journalism - they were hacking people's phones to get cheap stories".[ii]
What difference does it make whether the journalists were lazy or deliberate in their activities. The issue is not whether they tried to record the incident; the issue is whether they are attempting to profit from it after the fact.
The fact that these politicians made parts of their conversations or the imagery pertaining to the conversation available or ‘public’ does not mean that every aspect of their life has to be exposed. The fact that the media asked for permission to publish the tapes is evidence enough of that.
“Mr Lewis said he believed it was in the public interest for the transcript of the tape to be released”.[iii]
How can he know if the releasing the tape is in the public interest without knowing the contents of the tape. Ethically, only the police can determine what is ethical or proper to do in this case, as well as the journalist and media executives who have viewed its contents. They will be morally and legally liable if they misuse the information. If there is any criminal content; this would not even necessarily justify release of the taped information, though I suggest it should in order to permit collaboration of evidence.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "There is a difference between the News of the World hacking into someone's phone to find out private information and seemingly - whether accidentally or on purpose - effectively a journalist investigating some kind of political statement”.[iv]
This barrister really has no concept of philosophy. There is a distinction to be made between private and public lives. i.e. You cannot plant video cameras in public toilets. That is the principle involved. Yes, hacking into someone’s private communication represents a higher level of deceit, but both actions are morally reprehensible. A barrister should know that.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "But if it's particularly a political statement which affects the future government or the ways to achieve future government in a country, then that's something in the public interest and it sounds like it should be reported without the unfavourable comparison to what was clearly a criminal act”. [v]
Well, that is fine if the content of the tape was public, or if the content which the media sought to publish was ‘public policy’, but they are after scandal. So it’s a big ‘if’ that this barrister has not even explored. Even if there is content which might be deemed ‘in the public interest’, that is for the owner of the private information to decide. Only if the evidence suggests illegality should this information go to the police; and otherwise there ought to be no publication without the intellectual property owners authorisation. It has been duly rejected by John Key.
Why a barrister is inclined to screw up on this point is that they fail to see the broader context of public accountability; which is a respect for principles. In a sense, the barrister is saying that we will discard principles for the right to affirm the public's interest....whatever that is. i.e. He is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
According to the NZ Herald,
“News Corp is trying to negotiate a settlement with the Dowlers and has offered them £2 million (NZ$3.9 million)”. [vi]
Barrister Mark Lewis’ comment on the John Key-John Banks tape recording therefore entails a ‘conflict of interest’, and I would suggest his inflaming the NZ political issue could well make him liable to legal action by the PM, John Banks, the ACT Party and the National Party. The conflict of interest arises because he is apparently trying to render his case as more serious, unique, and thus of greater significance. This would of course justify a greater pay-out for his client.
“Mr Lewis said there was a difference between taping the PM speaking about something which could be deemed "very crucial politically" and recording him talking about personal matters, like his health or his family”. [vii]
Actually there isn’t. If the media is so hungry for public policy so that the public can get to know their political candidates, then I’m sure there is no shortage of time available by them; particularly the minority candidates who seldom get much. The reality is that the media wants us to think there are some important sound-bites on here. Maybe there is some crude language or embarrassing comments about Don Brash. Maybe they even hint to the resignation of Don Brash after the election. These are private opinions; they are strategic concerns of the people who did not intend to make them public. The notion that a journalist can accidentally benefit from secret tapes is ridiculous, whether they intended to do it or not. It could only sponsor a raft of ‘disorganised crime’ or purposeless crime. i.e. Smuggling of drugs. Oh sorry, I did not know my BF planted drugs in my baggage, but since I did not know, its ok if I sell them in the destination country.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "If it's to do with how the country is governed then that's good journalism".[viii]
Actually its poor journalism because apparently the action was not deliberate, and the decisions since show poor moral judgement by all concerned.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "The public choose their politicians ... they really ought to know wherever they are in the world".[ix]
Nonsense. Politicians are not always public persons; they also have private lives, and it is the decision of the politician, not the media, to decide when it is public or private, or it can be determined from the context. Voters should only be interested in the public policies of politicians; the fact that they make private comments, etc is really of no importance because they are not well-considered, deliberate or analytical thoughts, as I am conveying here. If my analysis is flawed, then I can be rightly criticised for it. Some of my writing is less well-considered, and whilst I can be criticised for it, I hold myself to a lower standard for that. It is a question of context. I could care less that John Brash curses Don Brash in private or public; the issue is whether they are effective politicians. In that assessment, I do not think people should hold them to unreasonable standards, nor sanction the use of misappropriated information/property.
Mr Lewis suggests a better comparison would be with ‘former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's gaffe when a microphone he was wearing picked up his comments that Labour supporter Gillian Duffy was a "bigoted woman".[x]
Frankly, I actually think this is a similar situation. If the journalists intentionally released that information and they had good reason for believing they were private thoughts; then they ought not to publish it. If he was making those comments to specific people, as opposed to strangers, then that is private.
Barrister Mark Lewis: "Politicians need to be careful about TV cameras and microphones. They should watch out that things aren't recording". [xi]
Notwithstanding the practical value of anticipating ‘crouching tigers’, we would tend to argue that we do not live in a caveman society, but rather a conceptual society where we expect people to act in accordance with the law, and that the law will entail consonance with ethical principles and more importantly human nature. Where is the ethical principle that the victim is 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions and others actions.
“Mr Key said his police complaint was based on principle. "What happens when it moves to other high profile New Zealanders having a conversation with their wives about personal issues?” [xii]
This is a fair comparison, but the following ethical justification by John Key is not.
John Key: "What happens if a couple of high profile New Zealanders have a conversation about their son or their daughter being suicidal - a Sunday paper reports that and that child takes their own life. We're at the start of a slippery slope here and I for one am going to stand up and ask the police to investigate it".[xiii]
A defining quality of a “suicidal” people is that they have a propensity to commit suicide. John Key seems to be embarrassing a utilitarian or consequential or pragmatic conception of justice here – sadly. The issue is the means by which a person acquires the information. Certainly if the information was misappropriated and caused embarrassment, it could precipitate suicide. This might reasonable considered a ‘causal’ connection between the illegitimate action and the suicide.
[i] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[ii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[iii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[iv] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[v] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[vi] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[vii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[viii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[ix] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[x] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[xi] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[xii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
[xiii] “Prime Minister's 'cheap shot” by Amelia Wade, NZ Herald, website, Nov 16, 2011.
This is a Facebook conversation I had with Don Brash, former Governor or the Reserve Bank of NZ, and former leader of the National Party on the current economic crisis.
Andrew Sheldon talks to
Don Brash
Don, do you accept (or better still, have evidence to suggest) that governments (say the US or UK) are too cozy with bankers. When you look at how the US has bailed out the banks rather than plausibly supporting the creditors, might this point to an underhanded relationship between the two...for mutual (dubious, unenlightened) self-interest. And should not have the National Party have anticipated this crisis a decade ago...I know I did with a great many others. Why did NZ, Aust, Canada central bank governors allow it to go on... Perhaps you only want to speak for yourself? But perhaps you could also speak generally.
ADDENDUM: My criticism of US government fiscal and monetary policy extends back to 2000, however I only started blogging in 2005 – and continued my criticism.
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Andrew, no, actually I don't think the US and UK governments have had too close a relationship with the banks. The reality is that the banks are at the very heart of the financial system - both the credit system and the payments system. The governments of the US and the UK (and of course of many other countries also) realised that the collapse of their banks would have had an impact on their whole economies which would have been utterly disastrous, so they bailed them out. Should they have regulated them more tightly to avoid the banks getting into trouble? Don't get me started! I blame the collapse of the banks in PART on the policies of some of the governments, in part on the greed and stupidity of some of the banks involved, and in part on the very tight system of regulation which actually led many people to assume taht the banks were effectively government guaranteed.
You ask why did NZ, Australian, and Canadian central bank governors "allow it to go on". I'm not sure I understand your question. The banks in those three countries are among the most robust in the world.
October 11 at 8:58pm · Like
By the last part of the question, I meant in terms of weighing into US, EU, Japanese govt policy decisions, an independent central bank believing that the substantive financial markets which underpin their demand have a substantive interest in 'sustained growth'. The policies of these govts have undermined global growth...that affects every economy. Say for NZ, does not the central bank have a mandate to preserve growth, thus weigh into international markets which affect their outlook?
October 11 at 9:05pm · Like
Andrew Sheldon I appreciate our banks are fine...more concerned with the broader economy, and the unsustainable interest rates which lured in home buyers, causing injury....not to mention the effects in equities.
October 11 at 9:06pm · Like
Andrew Sheldon We might reasonably expect the IMF to be independent...but sadly their role seems to be compromised by their need for OECD country funding
October 11 at 9:08pm · Like
Andrew Sheldon IMF says very little whilst 9 of 24(?) OECD countries have debts over 100% of GDP.
October 11 at 9:08pm · Like
Don Brash Not really fair Andrew. I've read plenty of IMF Papers which are highly critical of the enormous debts of many OECD countries.
October 11 at 9:19pm · Like
ADDENDUM: So does this reflect on the media’s lack of interest in bad news? Why might that be the case? It was very years ago to find a journalist offering critical views on the economic outlook. One of the few was Max Walsh, Editor-in-Chief of The Bulletin (Australia). Is the editorial content of the media skewed towards good economic news…even though there was a lot of critical economic analysis around from 2005-2008 outside of the mainstream media.
True, sovereignty lies with national govt...so what about central bank governors...what stops them from being more critical of foreign central banks and govts? They are independent from govt supposedly, so no embarrassment...just political integrity issue. i.e. Would Simon Power get a job with Westpac if he had an unfavourable Commerce Dept policy towards the banks....well, I know the answer because bank fees are a form of extortion...the basis of a class action in Australia as we speak.
October 11 at 9:46pm · Like
Don Brash Andrew, you are certainly right that central bank governors are reluctant to criticise other central bank governors. But who would you like Alan Bollard to criticise at the moment if you had your way?
October 14 at 9:20am · Like
Andrew Sheldon Ben Bernacke, ECB gov, all govts for adopting regulation which distorts rather than protects; for sanctioning extortion or 'numbers' rather rationality as the basis of political discourse.
October 14 at 9:49am · Like
Not sure that I understand your argument Andrew. To the extent that central banks are preoccupied with maintaining the value (purchasing power) of their own currency, I would have thought that most developed country central banks are doing OK at the moment (as measured by inflation, which is the only basis for assessing whether purchasing power is being maintained).
I share your concern that banking regulation may have actually contributed to some of the banking system problems, but central banks are certainly not the only ones (or even the main ones) to blame for the problems in the banking sector. In the US, for example, a lot of banking system problems stem from political pressures since at least the early nineties for banks to make loans to uncreditworthy, and marginally creditworthy, borrowers.
October 15 at 7:32am · Like
ADDENDUM 1: Actually, governments have a monopoly over the initiation of force. It was the Clinton administration who deregulated the banks in the USA; thus we ought to blame there for facilitating the actions of banks, which was largely acting ‘legally’ despite a few exceptions.
ADDENDUM 2: Actually, governments should be preserving a stable or fixed amount of currency relative to growth so that purchasing power actually increases. i.e. The amount of their wealth increases whilst the value of goods remains stable. We currently have ‘flat’ or ‘non-trending’ asset prices, no income growth, and rising product prices. i.e. We have inflation, i.e. Erosion of the real value of goods. It will not readily show up because govt masks the impact of the more volatile factors, i.e. rent, fuel, food,; arguing that they are too volatile to measure. True, but in the long run, they should not be ignored.
How can you be sure of that? How do you measure economic activity efficiently?
If central banks were duly concerned with preserving - or better still increasing purchasing power (as we live to progress I believe) - they would take measures which achieved maximum, but sustainable growth. Notwithstanding the fact they are confined to monetary policy, as an independent agency, there is no reason they cannot have an opinion on fiscal policy, and offer another element of accountability. Rather than debase their currencies, the US central bank lowered rates to extraordinarily low levels, govts like Aust subsidised great, Fannie Mae was instructed to offer the poor loans, creating a great deal of debt, and only in the last 3 years have we seen debasement of debt with quantitative easing...but there is more to come...causing more inflation. It’s about pushing the trauma into the future. If govt would only stop distorting the economy, each would be able to achieve growth of 8-12%...not the 1-3% we are accustomed to. The idea that we can only grow at these miniscule rates is because of govt...look at the Maritime Transport Act..calls to update it in 1998...its now 2011. It will happen now immediately after the election. Meantime priority 'distractions' for govt - aside from earthquake - rugby, seabed issue. One gets the notion, govt is about putting out fires, placing defensive.
October 15 at 8:13am · Like
Ultimately, I blame govt for being politicians rather than statesmen. They live within the system, lacking the ideas to change it. The problem is not the central banks per se its the govt which sanctions everything they do...its the idea that people really have any influence; that we have participation, choice?? We don't. We have a pretence of choice. We have a pretense of rationality within parliamentary debate...when really its a 'numbers' extortion game legitimatised by 'participation'. Tell me what participation I had in any piece of legislation. If I make a submission, what option do I have to hear criticism of my submission? None. How am I to know if it’s been read? Can't. There is a short range agenda to stay in power which means 'slow change' rather than selling ideas because our elected MPs have not developed a coherent philosophy before entering politics. I'd actually say you are better than most. But when or if you get substantive influence, you will become inaccessible, and centralised govt and universal suffrage will ensure you are motivated by the wrong priorities. You will become like the NP and Labour - 'constrained' by the system. Banks are custodians...they are not acting in accordance with their fiduciary duties; though you are right, govt requires no compliance from them. Another problem is the unconditional expropriation of wealth by taxation. Unless a voter has the right to renounce their sanction of govt by withholding tax, they are slaves. Representative democracy is slavery; we need a meritocracy where reason is the standard of value.
October 15 at 8:24am · Like
Andrew, I'm afraid I don't have time (and I'm not even in Parliament yet!) to reply to all your arguments. But let me just, in defence of my fellow central bankers, say that central bankers should not be increasing the purchasing power of their currencies (that would mean steadily average falling prices, or deflation). If money is to be used as a store of value, and as a measuring rod, it is important that it neither decreases in value (as with inflation) or increases in value (as with deflation). Most central bankers acknowledge that the only way in which they can help economic growth is by keeping the value of money stable, so that consumers and producers can use the price mechanism to inform their decisions. You obviously fear that successive rounds of quantitative easing will cause inflation. Yes, it may do, but it certainly hasn't done yet, and I strongly expect those central banks which have undertaken quantitative easing to reverse that process at the first sign of inflation.
ADDENDUM: Whose fault is that Don. You joined the ACT Party just 2 months ago, and his is the only opportunity I get to talk to you, and when the questions turn a little hairy, you evade them. That is govt; you don’t need to be a parliamentarian…you think like one merely as a candidate. You are over-qualified…that is the problem.
October 15 at 2:14pm · Like
Don, there is nothing inherently bad about increasing purchasing power; that is wealth creation. Yes, you can match the growth in money supply to productivity to stabilise prices, but that is not what the Fed Reserve has been doing. It has been stimulating debt levels with unsustainable low rates of interest....now there is a great deal of defaults, so debasement or recapitalisation is necessary to avoid default of that debts, say in USA, EU, etc. Mass transfer of wealth (via extortion). The poor suffer the most. Measures of inflation are entirely selective and arbitrary...just look at MS growth over productivity or economic growth.....to that you say, QE 'might cause inflation'? Ask yourself why QE is necessary at all? Why did asset prices rise so high? And how inflation is avoidable? Inflation will inevitably cause debt defaults among those not propped up. You seem to think there is no causal relationship between MS and productive capacity? It is true strong wealth creation in China and the developing world is offsetting OECD antics...but the relative distribution of capacity is going to create a productivity gap.
October 15 at 4:10pm · Like
Andrew Sheldon Don, the evidence does seem to suggest inflation ahead...this at a time of subdued confidence. Read this inflation news from the UK, and I've seen similar from Australia....
ADDENDUM: Don seems to have stopped talking to me; so because he is focused on getting higher profile attention, I thought I’d bring this to the attention of the media, because they love a controversy.
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